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Friday, 30 July 2021
Tatra Myths Debunked
It's amazing how much misinformation you see on the internet about Tatras, even among people who should know better. I recently wrote a write up about the Hagerty stunt for my car club magazine and our editor added a whole paragraph repeating the same BS Tatra and Volkswagen myths. I had to intervene and make him remove this rubbish.
I cannot display my car at a show without someone coming up and telling me that "more Nazi's died in Tatras...." and "Ferdinand Porsche stole the idea for the Volkswagen...." It's odd that people who otherwise know nothing about these cars feel that they're informed enough to come and tell the owner all about their history. The only other vehicle that draws a similar reaction is the Chevrolet Corvair. I have several friends with Corvairs and they all have to put up with the same BS of people telling them they're unsafe at any speed. I drove a Corvair several years ago and was amazed at its handling. They're one of the few American cars I actually enjoyed driving. Amazing ride and far better handling than most contemporary American cars. Because of their reputation, Corvairs are under-appreciated and can be picked up for a very decent price.
So, this debunking video is me talking off the cuff as I drive. Consequently, some of the comments could do with elaboration or explanation in more detail. If you have comments or questions, please add them to the video or the blog and I'll happily discuss.
The Origin of the Nazi-Killing Tatra Myth https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-origin-of-tatra-nazi-killing-myth.html
The Hagerty's Tatra T87 Roll-over Stunt
Death Eaters images courtesy of Hagerty Media. Photos by Andrew Trahan.
Several years ago, in the UK there were three idiots with a TV show about cars. In their desperate search for ratings they would do stupid things like purchase older cars and drive them to destruction for the amusement of the masses. In one of their popular stunts they purchased a number of three-wheeled Reliant Robins and drove them sharply around corners, flipping the cars over. The masses were amused and laughed and tutt-tutted at the ridiculous idea of a three-wheeled car. What was not disclosed was that those dangerously unstable Reliants had had their rear suspensions removed and were carrying extra ballast, strategically placed to ensure they would roll over in a turn.
It was all a bit of fun and foolishness, and few people would have lamented the destruction of a few clapped out old Reliants. Certainly, no one would exercise such dangerous stupidity with an expensive and rare automobile, would they?
Hagerty is a prestigious US auto insurer, auction house and motoring publisher. They have a popular website, which can be visited here: https://www.hagerty.com/
The internet is a cesspool of lies and disinformation, and modern online publishing is a desperate search for clicks, likes and impressions. In 2021, Hagerty endorsed a group of ‘motoring journalists’ who were keen to test out some of motoring history’s greatest myths. The series they proposed was called "The Death Eaters." One of the first myths the Eaters chose to test was the Tatra T87’s reputation as a ‘Nazi Killer.’
I’m going to stop right here and state for the record – no one ever called the Tatra a Nazi killer. No one. There was no spike in Tatra related deaths in the German office corps and there never was a ban on German officers driving Tatras. Never. It’s not simply a myth, it is a lie cut out of whole cloth long after the war, possibly to obscure the fact that Tatra, under their German owners, the Ringhoffer Group, was a major manufacturer of trucks, trains, rolling stock, diesel engines, tanks and half-tracks for the German army. Not that they had much choice in the matter as all automotive concerns in ‘Greater Germany’ were nationalized by the Nazis and directed to war production, but you get the picture. Personally, I don't think the motive for the story is even that complex. I believe the story is wholly invented by lazy journalists creating an angle to popularize an obscure marque that few people (in the west) had ever heard of.
References
Ivan Margolius' "Tatra - The Legacy of Hans Ledwinka", is an excellent book and the standard Tatra reference work in English. Ivan mentions a wartime German ban on driving Tatras due to accidents on pages 132-134. The reference to that claim traces back to a 'Road and Track' magazine article by Ray Thursby (pg 312) in 1987. The paragraph in question says:
"Shortly after the 87's introduction, German troops occupied Czechoslovakia and, on orders from Berlin, converted most of Tatra's production lines over to the manufacture of military vehicles. One casualty of this decision was the Type 97, a scaled-down version of the 87 powered by an air-cooled flat-4 engine. One can only suspect that the Germans considered the 97 to be too similar to their KdF-Wagen for its own good. The German high command also took note of the 87 - which continued in limited production throughout the war - and its strange handling qualities by issuing an order forbidding German officers to use the 87s under any circumstances." Road and Track UK. April 1987 pg 62.Thursby however provides no references and his comments are extremely general, peppered with assumptions and suppositions and cannot be relied on without supporting evidence.
Ivan adds additional detail in his book with a brief quote from Ing. Albert Richter, a former Tatra employee who provided repair and service facilities for German Tatra owners during the 1930s. Richter claimed to have been interviewed by the Wehrmacht transport commission in Berlin about the safety of Tatra cars. Richter claimed he informed them the Tatra was safe if handled appropriately (this applies to any car really), but 'the order came through.' The date of this discussion is not specified and the quote and once again its context is extremely vague. The Richter quote comes from an article in Thoroughbred and Classic Car Magazine (UK), June 1983, "Forgotten Genius.", by Brian Palmer, sub-titled "Brian Palmer talks to Albert K. Richter Dipl.-Ing about his idol, Hans Ledwinka, 'the forgotten engineering genius' and the incredible Tatra cars." Margolius notes in the references that "Palmer interviewed A K Richter for his article." Turning to the Palmer article we find this quote:
"Albert Richter's knowledge and personal experience driving and working on Tatras also caused him to be summoned to Command Headquarters in Berlin. A number of high-ranking officers occupying Czechoslovakia were using the Big Tatras for personal transport and at high speed, crosswinds or the uncertain swing-axle behaviour in cornering caused a number of them to come to grief. The army could not afford to lose its best men in this manner and they began to wonder whether the Tatra was the Czechs secret weapon against them. Richter argued that at modest speeds the Tatra was perfectly safe, indeed superior in many respects, to most vehicles then on the roads. High Command was not convinced, however, and the order went out that Tatras were verboten."Palmer does not even quote Richter's words once in his whole article, it is simply a summary and vague paraphrase which leaves more questions than it asks. I have analysed the Palmer article in more detail here: The Origin of the Nazi-Killing Tatra Myth - https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-origin-of-tatra-nazi-killing-myth.html.
What does all this mean? What can be proven?
Tatra cars were well known in Germany. The revolutionary Tatra T77 was unveiled at the Berlin Motor Show in 1934 and created a sensation. Adolf Hitler held an enthusiastic discussion with Tatra Technical Director, Hans Ledwinka, at the show, much to his handler's annoyance. Hitler was so impressed by what he saw that his own ideas about Germany's 'volkswagen' were transformed. In Hitler's eyes, the Tatra was not a foreign car, but a practical example of cutting edge German engineering as while Ledwinka may have held a Czech passport (like Ferdinand Porsche) he was in fact a German speaking Austrian like Hitler himself. With the break up of the Austro-Hungarian empire in 1919, Ledwinka had found himself first in the new nation of Austria and then Czechoslovakia. He never learned to speak to Czech and considered himself ethnically German. After Germany annexed the Sudetendland from Czechoslovakia in 1938 (including the Tatra plant in Koprivince), motoring magazine 'Motor-Kritik' would openly describe Tatra as a German automobile manufacturer.
Tatras were extremely popular with the avant-garde in Germany, famous owners being Robert Ley (director of the Nazi labour front), Ernst Heinkel, and Erwin Rommel. After Tatra was bought under German control, they became fully integrated into the German centrally managed economy. The 1938 Schell Plan saw comprehensive rationalization of automobile production. Designs were standardized and all surplus models were removed from the market. Tatra manufactured both cars and trucks and was instructed to focus primarily on trucks, but they were also permitted to continue building the T87 in small numbers (they were only ever built in small numbers). I believe the Richter story probably ties into this rationalization and if Palmer had actually provided the context of the story, we would likely find the conversation with German authorities would be in terms of approving the T87 for an official staff car contract, such as Mercedes Benz obtained. We know for certain that the T87 continued to be built right through the war so clearly there was never any ban on their use, otherwise T87 production would have been stopped. Interestingly, Tatra was one of the only German auto manufacturers permitted to continue building civilian cars throughout the war.
As for handling, the Tatra T87 is a big car. It is powered by a 3.4 litre air-cooled V8 engine mounted behind the rear axles. For its size, the engine is remarkably light thanks to its use of aluminum-magnesium alloy, but its placement in the rear could make the car’s handling at speed ‘delicate’, if not handled properly, This is not helped by the fact that the Tatra uses swing axles, which were seen as extremely modern at the time but are well known not to perform well in a high speed turn. If not driven with care, the car could be flipped. Tatra knew this and the T87 drivers manual provides explicit warnings about driving at speed and how to handle hard turns. There is no mystery here.
Despite not being an 'officially sanctioned' staff car, a small number of T87s were commandeered for military use and they saw service all over Europe. There was an SS division in Italy that used them as staff cars. I am not aware of any reports of major accidents or death toll. If the story had any legitimacy we should at least have one anecdote or a name of some officer killed, but there is none that I am aware of. Ergo - the story is without factual basis.
So, where does this story come from? After the war the Allies undertook a comprehensive survey of German technology. Specialists from the British motoring industry analyzed and test drove all captured German vehicles they could get their hands on. There was a lot of lessons that the British should have learned from Germans, especially when it came to high precision engineering, something the Germans excelled at. Something the British did poorly at. However, the British proved not particularly willing to learn the lessons that were served to them on a plate. Famously, the Rootes Group were invited to evaluate the Volkswagen and determined that it ‘did not meet the minimum requirements of a motorcar.’ Rootes would later go bankrupt and Volkswagen took over the world, so what did they know?
The Allies had captured several Tatra T87s during the war and they too used these luxurious vehicles as staff cars. In 1946 the British Vauxhall company were handed a captured Tatra staff car for evaluation. The car was an extremely poor condition, having completely shot suspension, four different tyres on four different rims, and an out of tune engine misfiring on several cylinders. Nevertheless, Vauxhall followed Rootes' example and decided to road test the car ‘as is.’ Needless to say, they rated the car highly unstable and poorly engineered. It is amazing how petty the assessors were, criticizing the floor mounted gear shift as making it difficult for the driver and passenger to switch places and complaining that the front wheel arch intruded into the footwell, requiring one to move their feet towards the centreline somewhat. If Vauxhall - indeed anyone in Britain - wanted to evaluate the Tatra's actual performance and handling, they need only have requested well-known motoring enthusiast, Captain Fitz-Maurice, to take them for a drive in his Tatra T77. Fitz-Maurice had purchased his car in 1935 and it was, for many years, the only Tatra streamliner in Britain. Fitz-Maurice was so impressed with his Tatra that he wrote a glowing letter to the factory on 29th October 1935 outlining his observations. It's worth quoting him here:
"When this car was "run in" and had covered about 10,000 kilometres, I had a good opportunity of trying it for maximum speed and on the main Coventry road, with driver and two passengers, the speed of 95 m.p.h. was obtained.....Points that strike me and my friends about the car are:-
First class road-holding without anxiety.
Excellent suspension and wonderfully light and untiring steering control at all speeds. The wide field of vision makes fast driving safer.
The excellent braking.
The petrol consumption, considering the performance, is abnormally light.
The increased loading space is a great advantage.
There is no doubt that you have provided a solution of the owner driver's Reisewagen de luxe for general world use that is year's ahead of any similar product."
The point of these evaluations however, wasn't to learn anything. They were political exercises designed to reassure the British people and industry leaders that the Germans had nothing to teach plucky Britain. After all, if the Germans were so clever, why had they lost the war - twice. The point however, is this. The story of the Tatra and dead Nazis originates in Britain and the source of the myth of Tatra's poor handling likely originates with the Vauxhall report, being the only one available in English.
https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2020/11/bios-final-report-no-922-tatra-car-type.html
The Stunt
So the 'journalists' from Hagerty decided to test the fake Nazi Killer myth by putting the Tatra T87 from the Lane Motor Museum through a slalom course where they could push the car beyond its limits. Like their predecessors at Vauxhall, they took no care to ensure the car was adequately prepared. Observers pointed out at that the car’s rear tyres were rather flat, but the testers determined to press ahead regardless. The car was swung around the course with the driver snapping out the tail as hard as he could. It would not take a genius to realize this was dangerous, but the driver was certainly taken by surprise when the US$300,000 car flipped over on its side and slid down the road.
The Death Eaters have been at great pains to explain away the accident. In a lengthy interview with Jeff Lane of the Lane Motor Museum (see below), they clam that the Tatra rolled over at 20 mph on its first chicane. I don't believe a word of it. There is no way that the car can simply flip over at only 20 mph. You have to try really hard. The published photos tell a pretty convincing story. Tellingly there is no video of the incident. The photo sequence are courtesy of Hagerty. Photography by Andrew Trahan.
Seconds from disaster - a view from the rear shows the right tyre is rolling under. This is not natural. The tyres are under-inflated.
Now the left hand rear tyre is sliding under of its rim.
And now the car lifts off. The car cannot be traveling at only 20 mph for the front to lift this far from the road.
And the car continues to roll
And it's over.....
...and begins to roll over onto its roof. 20 mph....
Tatras are built tough. Despite the flip, the panels are in relatively good shape.
With a bit of manhandling the Tatra was put back on its wheels and Jeff Lane commented that the test should be repeated with tyres at the proper pressure. The subsequent handling tests didn’t have quite the same ‘frisson’ but it scarcely mattered. They had secured spectacular photos of the Tatra upending and therefore confirmed the fake myth of the Nazi Killing Tatra. Hagerty, the insurer, also gained a little publicity, approving a claim for repairs to Lane’s formerly stunning T87.
This is one of the dumbest stunts ever pulled by new media 'journalists.' Tatra enthusiasts around the world have expressed outrage at such an unprofessional and unscientific test. Any old car can be unsafe if handled beyond its limits. It's clear that something was wrong with the Tatra's suspension and tyres. Tatra owners have identified issues with the cars tyres, tyre pressure, dampers and leaf springs. Nothing was proved. The fake Nazi killing myth is still just as fake.
So what would actually happen if a Tatra lost a wheel or axle when driving 'normally'? Surprisingly we know. My friend Michael G, in Moscow, suffered a failure of his right rear axle on a long bend during a classic car rally in his Tatra T87. This was the result.
The wheel came off. The car didn't flip over. The damage was minor.
The Lesson - the ignorance of the modern mind
Having read several dozen articles about Tatras and their 'problematic handling' I think I now understand how these stories came about. In the west, Tatra was a long forgotten marque that produced some interesting and unusual cars in the 1930s and then disappeared behind the Iron Curtain. However, in the 1980s, Czech authorities began disposing of their old T603 consular cars in favour of the newer T613s. A trickle of T603s made their way onto the market in western countries. Both owners and journalists embellished or fabricated stories about their vehicles and Tatra to make them seem more interesting. Despite there being no evidence - indeed substantial counter-evidence - the myths of the Nazi killing Tatra grew with each retelling because it was an 'angle.' The fact that the Tatra was technically unorthodox gave the story plausibility while its rarity meant few could actually challenge the narrative. Vague plausibility, as covered in Thursby's 'Road and Track' article would give way to historical certainty as authors and writers repeated their predecessor's claims.
Every modern Tatra article claims that T87 is 'flawed' because of its unpredictable handling, is dangerous in a high speed turn, and has poor rear vision. And yet, these observations are never made by contemporary writers in the 1930s. On the contrary, writers at the time praised the car's handling, especially at speed. Restricted rear vision is never mentioned. Why the contrast? Because modern writers cannot step out of their own experience and place themselves in the mindset of someone driving a car in 1936. Modern cars are expected to perform at high speed through a slalom course, turn while braking, with all round visibility. Cars in the 1930s were not, but modern writers write about them as if they should. It is a conceit of the modern.
Hans Ledwinka and the Tatra design team did not design the T87 to perform a 90 degree turn at 145 kph because no one designed a car to do a 90 degree turn at 145 kph. To hold them to account for not considering this is ludicrous. No one drove a Tatra - or any other car - like that. The T87 was a saloon car with sportscar performance. It was designed for the autobahn, which involved long, high-speed driving on a generally straight road. Its handling was perfect for that type of road use. Rear vision was sufficient for a car that could outpace almost everything else on the road. These were the observations of drivers and writers at the time. It is their voices we should be listening to if we want to understand what driving a Tatra was really like. https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/04/tatra-t77-collected-customer-letters.html
The Death Eaters version can be found here - https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-death-eaters-chapter-1-tatra-t87/
A very disingenuous interview - https://www.hagerty.com/media/livestreams/tatra-the-greatest-car-no-one-has-ever-heard-of/
A skeptical analysis by Paul Neidemeyer - https://www.curbsideclassic.com/uncategorized/step-by-step-instructions-on-how-to-flip-a-tatra-t87-at-20-mph/
Tatra - The Legacy of Hans Ledwinka - https://www.veloce.co.uk/store/Tatra-The-Legacy-of-Hans-Ledwinka-p153904391
I have covered the Nazi 'myth' earlier here - https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-moronic-dross-that-passes-as.html
The Origin of the Nazi-Killing Tatra Myth - https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-origin-of-tatra-nazi-killing-myth.html
The Tatra versus Volkswagen Lawsuit
Please note, this article has been substantially rewritten in the light of archival material from the Ringhoffer family contained in the thesis paper by Halgard Stolte, archivist and historian of the Ringhoffer family (see link below).
Porsche and Ledwinka photographed together in the late 1930s at Grand Prix meet. Porsche was the technical director of the Auto-Union 'Silver Arrows' racing team in the mid to late 30s.
Ferdinand Porsche and Hans Ledwinka were both born in the later years of the 19th century in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Both were native German speakers from German dominated regions, Ledwinka from Lower Austria and Porsche from Bohemia. Neither were formally qualified engineers, but rose through the ranks thanks to their natural talents. Following the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire after the Great War, both adopted Czechoslovakian citizenship. This decision was largely political, as ethnic Germans and German-Austrian nationals found international travel and work opportunities severely curtailed in the 1920s. Nevertheless, doors were opened for men of talent like Ledwinka and Porsche. Porsche would find work in Germany and Austria, while Ledwinka would find opportunities in Austria and Czechoslovakia.
Much is made of the fact that their paths crossed several times during their careers. Hans Ledwinka had left Nesseldorfer in 1915 and joined the Austrian Steyr company as the technical director of motor car development. The cars he built for Steyr were practically identical to the heavy, prewar Nesseldorfers, but Ledwinka recognized that the times were changing and post-war there would be a market for a cheap, mass produced car. This bought him into conflict with the Steyr board, who saw no money in a cheap, budget car, so when Nesseldorfer - now renamed Tatra - offered him the technical directorship in 1921, he resigned from Steyr and moved to Czechoslovakia, taking his Steyr design team with him.
Similarly, Porsche had risen through the ranks at Austro-Daimler to become managing director, but his plans to develop a budget car led to conflict with the Austro-Daimler board. He was forced to resign in 1923 and moved to German Daimler in Stuttgart, where he became technical director of their racing division but continued to agitate for a budget car project. In 1926 German Daimler and Benz merged to form Daimler-Benz. Porsche's ongoing conflict with Daimler-Benz management led him to resign in 1929 and take up a position at Steyr. His tenure at Steyr would not last long as that company was plunged into bankruptcy by the Great Depression. Austro-Daimler stepped in and purchased the struggling company and Porsche was made redundant. His experience with conservative boards led him to establish his own consulting engineering company.
It is true that both men had filled the same position at Steyr, but there was eight years between their respective tenures. There was little that Porsche could have gleaned from Ledwinka's budget car plans in the Steyr archives that he couldn't have seen with his own eyes on the road, as Ledwinka's revolutionary Tatra T11 had gone on sale in 1924. In any case, Porsche had already expressed his views about an 'auto fur der jedermann' (or car for the common man) while he was at Austro-Daimler since the early 1920s. The idea of a ‘people’s car’ was not unique or even uncommon after the Great War.
Ledwinka's Tatra T11 proved to be a tough little car that bristled with innovative features, including a front-mounted twin-cylinder air-cooled engine which was directly mounted to a sturdy tube chassis, which doubled as the transmission tunnel, with drive delivered through independently sprung half axles to maximize traction. The Tatra T11 was a game changing car that inspired engineers across Europe.
One German engineer was particularly inspired by the Tatra T11, but felt he could do better. Josef Ganz believed further cost savings could be achieved if the engine was moved to the rear. There were simple engineering reasons for moving the engine to the rear as placing the engine over the rear driving wheels would improve traction, and would reduce weight and minimize loss of power by dispensing with the drive shaft. This ultimately meant a smaller engine could be employed, in turn reducing production and running costs. Ganz' ideas would be showcased in the Standard Superior, which was first unveiled in 1933. Ganz's design utilized Tatra's independently sprung half axles and tube chassis, and was powered by a 400cc two-cylinder two-stroke engine mounted ahead of the rear axle. The car drew the interest of the engineering community but it was a vehicle of limited practicality and sales of the little car were disappointing. https://heinkelscooter.blogspot.com/2022/08/1933-standard-superior-road-test-das.html
This contemporary German cigarette card shows off the modern, streamlined lines of the improved second version of the of Standard Superior, promoted as the 'Deutschen Volkswagen." Calling it a 'Volkswagen' doesn't mean it is a Volkswagen.
Looking back towards the rear-mounted engine. The 400cc two-stroke engine was water cooled with a small radiator mounted behind an air scoop on the back deck.
Carl Borgward's contemporary Hansa 400 was similar in style and concept to Ganz' Standard Superior and yet no one claims Borgward as the progenitor of the Volkswagen.
The Hansa 400 design had its origin in Borgward's rear-engined three-wheeler, the Goliath Pioneer. http://heinkelscooter.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/goliath-pionier.html The car's air-cooled two-stroke was mounted on a platform far in the rear. The engine was cooled by a small fan drawing air through vents in the rear and blowing across the air cooling fins on the cylinder heads.
Hans Ledwinka and his team felt that Ganz was onto something and embarked on his own rear-engined car project. Using a Tatra T12 as a basis, the twin-cylinder air-cooled engine was moved to the rear boot, driving the rear wheels through a differential. Performance was adequate but the potential cost savings from removing the drive shaft suggested that this could be a viable solution for a budget car.
The project was expanded, resulting in the V570 prototype, which was powered by a rear-mounted four-cylinder air-cooled boxer engine of approximately 1700cc and rudimentary streamlining. However, the development process of the V570 highlighted a significant technical challenge with the rear-engine placement - effective cooling. Lightweight wooden body cars like the Hansa 400, which used air-cooling were small and light enough to get by with a simple fan and air-vents. However, to power a modern, steel rear-engine car would require a much larger engine with efficient mechanical cooling. A lot of engineering would be required and this would ultimately make a rear-engine budget car an uneconomical venture. The V570 was mothballed and the project was reworked as a luxury limousine. For almost two years Ledwinka and the Tatra team worked on the engineering of air-cooling. In the end they would patent over a dozen forced air-cooling designs.
In 1934 Tatra unveiled their first 'official' rear-engine car – the magnificent Tatra 77. One of the car's enthusiastic fans was the new German Chancellor, Adolf Hitler. Ledwinka, like Porsche met with Hitler on several occasions to talk about cars and Hitler is reputed to have told Nazi Labour leader, Fritz Todt, “the Tatra is the car for my autobahns.”
In the meantime, back in Germany Ferdinand Porsche had been engaged by Hitler to work on his pet ‘people’s car’ project. Porsche had been convinced by the advantages of a rear-engined layout in a budget car since he had worked with Hans Nibel of Daimler-Benz on his Tropfenracer project (1928) and Mercedes-Benz H130 (1932).
The Benz rear-engine cars had suffered from handling issues that stemmed partly from the placement of their engines above their central tube chassis and their use of swing-axles. Porsche intended to use swing-axles in his car, but attempted to address the stability issues with the addition of torsion bar suspension as well as lowering the engine placement in-line with the tube chassis. Both Ledwinka and Porsche had addressed this particular design challenge in the same way. Both the Tatra and the KdFwagen placed the gearbox in front of the engine, which was mounted to the chassis via a U-shaped carrier. This was not a unique arrangement - even the Mercedes-Benz 130H used this arrangement (see photo above), but Tatra, having entered the market in 1934 had lodged Patent DE601577 relating to a vehicle chassis frame consisting of a longitudinal central beam and a fork-like extension connected to the central longitudinal beam by two transverse beams. Porsche had also used forced air-cooling, which was covered in other Tatra patents. Whether Porsche had looked at Tatra's designs or developed them independently isn’t clear or indeed relevant, because regardless how they arrived at it, Tatra were first in the market and held the patents. NB, Daimler-Benz' patent for the engine mounting of their rear-engine car, although also featuring a similar U-shaped carrier, was considered sufficiently different from Ledwinka's and Porsche's solution to be granted its own patent. This highlights just how much hair splitting occurred with automobile design patents.
Porsche’s Volkswagen took far longer to develop than expected and by the time that it was finally presented to the German public in 1938, Tatra had two rear-engined cars in the market – the luxurious T87 limousine and the smaller model T97.
The Tatra T97 was powered by a flat-four boxer engine like the Volkswagen, but that was pretty much where the two car’s similarity ended. For a start the Tatra’s engine was a substantial 1,761cc capacity, compared to the Volkswagen’s meagre 998ccs. The cars did not even look similar, except in the general sense that they were both streamlined and had rear-engines. The cars also targeted totally different markets – the Volkswagen was a cheap car for the working man, while the T97 was a car for the wealthy.
In 1939 Germany seized the Sudentenland and occupied the Tatrawerkes in Koprivince. The Nazis initially shut down the factory and forced its incorporation into the Reichwerkes Hermann Goering AG, a Nazi front company. The whole German auto industry was regulated under the Schell Plan which standardized vehicle designs and removed duplication of models to free up industrial capacity for war production. Tatra was therefore bought under the Schnell Plan and was authorized only to manufacture the T87 limousine, budget T57 car and T111 three-ton truck. Most of the factory was diverted to production of tank engines, half-tracks, trains and rolling stock for the war effort. Despite the myth, the T97 was not cancelled because ‘it was a competitor to the Volkswagen’ but because there was no room in the Schell Plan for two-rear engine limousines.
Germany's real interest in Tatra was their trucks. This photo taken in 1940 shows Hans Ledwinka and Tatra management escorting German officers on an inspection tour of the factory. The trucks are T27 3-tonners. Trucks like this served on all fronts during the war.
Nevertheless the Tatra 87 still provided a welcome distraction for some.
Post War
For the protagonists in this story, the war and its aftermath were filled with disappointment and tragedy. Dr Porsche was arrested and imprisoned by the French as a war criminal. He never faced trial however and was released in 1947. He then found himself frozen out of Volkswagen by the new managing director, Heinz Nordhoff, who regarded him with ill-disguised suspicion. Porsche visited the factory only once at the end of 1950, shortly before he died in January 1951. The company he had helped to establish made a rapid recovery and Volkswagen went on to become one of the most successful cars in the world.
Hans Ledwinka was arrested for collaboration with the Nazi’s by the postwar Czech government and sentenced to six years with hard labour. When he was released in 1951 he was offered the Tatra managing directorship, but this was politically impossible so he declined the honor and retired to Austria. He died in 1967. Tatra too recovered after the war, but remained a small volume producer whose products remained largely unknown outside of Eastern Europe.
The new nationalist government of Czechoslovakia nationalized all industrial concerns after the war, including the Ringhoffer-Tatra AG. All assets and facilities within Czechoslovakia were seized without compensation. Tatra's factory at Koprivince had been damaged during the war and had suffered some confiscations, but nothing so significant as to prevent the company restarting truck and some car manufacturing in 1947.
Hanus Ringhoffer, managing director of the Ringhoffer Group had died in Soviet captivity in 1946. His son's, Counts Anton and Hans Serenyi-Ringhoffer, had fled Czechoslovakia at the end of the war and were living in Switzerland and Austria. Neither Anton or Hans had been involved in the running of the Ringhoffer Group and worked in different industries. Of their father's vast industrial conglomerate, they were left a handful of businesses and properties in Austria, Switzerland and Germany, however, they were never able to make a going concern of what remained and the company fell into receivership in 1960. In 1961, as the receiver's lawyers were combing through the company documents that the idea of initiating a patent case against Volkswagen occurred. There was however a significant problem - all of the Tatra patents expired in 1961.
When the Czech government nationalized Ringhoffer-Tatra in 1945, they claimed ownership of all Tatra's patents, however, the patents were also registered in many jurisdictions outside Czechoslovakia. After the Czechoslovakian Communist Party seized power in 1948 and Czechoslovakia joined the communist block, western (capitalist) jurisdictions refused to enforce patents claims on behalf of the nationalized Tatra concern. In the mid-1950s, Anton and Hans Ringhoffer successfully sued for the recovery of the Ringhoffer patents in the courts in Belgium, Switzerland, Austria and Germany, declaring the Czech authorities had no rights over patents outside Czechoslovakia. The Czechs conceded and reassigned the patents to the Ringhoffer's as they did not want to lose access to western markets. However, despite the recovery of the patents, Anton and Hans did not press for the enforcement of claims against Volkswagen or any other company.
Nevertheless, the receivers initiated a patent infringement case against Volkswagen based on three patents.
1. Patent DE601577 relating to a vehicle chassis frame consisting of a longitudinal central beam and a fork-like extension connected to the central longitudinal beam by two transverse beams, registered in 1934 in respect to the Tatra T77 engine mounting;
2. Patent DE636633 relating to the placement of the drive unit in motor vehicles using a central, e.g., tubular support frame, registered in 1937 in respect to revisions made to the engine mounting design in the Tatra T87 and T97, and a later patent;
3. Patent DE746715, registered in 1944 and covering the chassis frame and/or box frame.
The administrators sought to recover license fees and royalties from Volkswagen for every Beetle sold between the start of civilian production in 1946 and 1961, when the patents expired, amounting to some 6 million Deutschmarks. The Dusseldorf court was suspicious of the merits of the case and insisted the Ringhoffer's put 250,000 Deutschmarks against costs, something they struggled to do given the company's insolvency.
Hearings commenced in late 1961 and Ferdinand Porsche's son Ferry, daughter Louise Peich and Hans Ledwinka were all asked to provide testimony. If it were at all true that Ferdinand Porsche had stolen ideas from Hans Ledwinka and Tatra, Ledwinka needed only to say so on the record, but he did not. He acknowledged that this period was one of great fervent in the automotive field and all designers were keeping an eye on what their contemporaries were doing. The remark "he may have looked over my shoulder when I looked over his" cannot be an admission of plagiarism by Porsche because he was dead at the time of the lawsuit. The quote belongs instead to Hans Ledwinka, but as it doesn't have the same effect if it comes out of Ledwinka's mouth, partisans of the "Porsche stole his ideas" school of thought have falsely attributed it to the deceased Ferdinand Porsche. At any rate, all three testified to the friendly competitive relationship between Porsche and Ledwinka.
The Dusseldorf court examined the patents for the chassis and engine mountings against Volkswagen's designs and on 12 October 1961 determined "On all accounts, the action, as far as it is based on the contested patents DE746715 and DE601577, turns out to be unfounded." Patent DE636633, the earliest patent for the chassis design and engine mounting from 1934, was felt to have some merit, but was nevertheless 'stayed.' This effectively rejected the Ringhoffer's lawsuit. The case now moved from the courts of law to the courts of public opinion. Volkswagen stridently denied the Ringhoffer's claims, viewing their claim as little more than an attempt at extortion. The Ringhoffers' progressively walked back their claim from the initial 6 million DM to 1 million by 1964. Ledwinka and the Porsche children wrote often to Volkswagen managing director Heinrich Nordhoff recommending Volkswagen settle and bring the matter to a close as journalists working on behalf the Ringhoffer's lawyers were actively smearing both Porsche and Volkswagen in the press. 1 million DM was nothing to Volkswagen, but Nordhoff remained steadfast. In 1964, the case simply disappears from the record without resolution. There is no official record of Volkswagen paying the Ringhoffers' anything, except a handwritten note in the Volkswagen archives noting that the matter was settled. No amount is mentioned and we can only presume that Volkswagen settled for 1 million DM or thereabouts. Neither Hans Ledwinka nor Tatra in Czechoslovakia received anything from the settlement.
See Halgard Solte's research paper into the Ringhoffer vs Volkswagen patent dispute at Researchgate:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338794765
Despite Volkswagen’s likely infringement of some technical aspects of Tatra patents, there is no substance to popular claims that Hans Ledwinka – or Jozef Ganz for that matter – should be credited as the true designer of the Volkswagen. In fact, there was nothing particularly unique in Porsche's, Ledwinka's and Ganz' designs. Rear engines, backbone chassis, and independent suspension had all been invented by others earlier. What each designer did however was bring these features together in new ways with various degrees of success. Ganz for instance popularized the idea of a rear-engined car, but his Standard Superior car was poorly designed, under powered and failed to sell. Ledwinka expanded Ganz’ idea into a modern, high performance super-car, while Porsche and his design team bought these ideas together in a new and innovative way to deliver the world beating people’s car.
Other links
VW History:http://heinkelscooter.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/volkswagen-world-beating-peoples-car.html
Tatra History: https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2020/09/tatras-streamliners-yesterdays-car-of.html
Tatra Mythology (in detail):
https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2023/02/tatras-self-licking-icecream-cone.html
The Moronic Dross that Passes as Journalism
There are some great legends that attach to cars and then there are legends that are so moronically stupid you wonder how anyone can honestly believe them. Somehow it seems like the moronic legends are the ones that keep getting repeated ad-nauseum. Take for instance the worn out Tatra canard, recently repeated with gusto by Rupert Hawksley of the Telegraph.co.uk
"The car that destroyed Nazis"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/11632594/The-car-that-destroyed-Nazis.html
You can read this dross if you want, but why waste your time? It's simply another rehash of the idiotic - and unsubstantiated - claims that, to quote: "More high-ranking Nazi officers were killed in Tatra manufactured cars than in active combat."
I mean, really? More Nazis killed driving Tatras than in active combat? More? In car accidents? In Tatras? Than in the war? That being the war that killed somewhere between four and five million German servicemen? The claim is patently stupid on its face. As a writer, can you honestly write such b*llshit and not burst out laughing?
Then again, Hawksley is just repeating fiction author Steve Cole's claim. Hawksley quotes Cole:
"These high-ranking Nazi officers drove this car fast but unfortunately the handling was rubbish, so at a sharp turn they would lose control, spin out and wrap themselves round a tree killing the driver more often than not. The Allies referred to the Tatra cars as their secret weapon against the Nazis.
More high-ranking Nazi officers were killed in car crashes in the Tatra 77 [and 87] than were killed in active combat. It goes to show that being too flash doesn't get you anywhere and will leave you dead."
Working to bring down the system from within. Hans Ledwinka explains the technical details of his Nazi killing machine to a delighted Adolf Hitler.
Of course, neither Cole and Hawksley actually care about the truth of the story. It's simply a flashy story that grabs them attention. Everything they've said shows only that they know NOTHING about Tatras, except what they've read on the Internet.
Sure, the story has been around for ages but that doesn't make it true. In fact, I'm going to call B*LLSHIT on the whole 'Czech secret weapon' myth. It's b*llshit. No one ever called the Tatra the 'Czech secret weapon.' The Czech's actual secret weapon was the trucks, half tracks and tanks they built for the German army - and there was scarcely anything secret about that.
Maybe one German officer crashed a Tatra - once - probably while drunk, as officers in an occupied territory are wont to do. It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. Maybe someone higher up the chain of command said "our officers shouldn't be getting drunk and driving about in high powered cars!" All quite common sense really. But there was no shocking Nazi death toll and no order that Nazis were not to drive Tatras and the Allies never called the Tatra the 'Czech secret weapon.' No, as Kermit the Frog sang in the Rainbow Connection, "Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it, and look what it's done, so far."
A German officer prepares to commit suicide in his Tatra T87.
If someone out there does have evidence to the contrary - and I mean actual evidence - by all means, bring it forward. But I doubt it. The story is based on NO facts whatsoever, but lazy Internet sourced journalism and the desire for some catchy angle mean that stupid stories like this just keep rolling on, getting more outrageous and stupider and stupider with each telling.
The Origin of the Nazi-Killing Tatra Myth - https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-origin-of-tatra-nazi-killing-myth.html
Tatra - The Legacy of Hans Ledwinka
By Ivan Margolius and John G Henry
An Updated and Enlarged Collector’s Edition of 1500 copies has now been published. The new edition contains new archival information and research gathered in the 25 years since the first version was published. The book is published by Veloce Published in a limited editon run of only 1500 copies. It can be purchased directly from Veloce https://www.veloce.co.uk/store/Tatra-The-Legacy-of-Hans-Ledwinka-p153904391 or from Amazon UK http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tatra-Legacy-Ledwinka-Collectors-copies/dp/1845847997/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1449758795&sr=1-1.
An interview with author, Ivan Margolius
Book Synopsis
The story of the Tatra company, which originates in the Central European country of Czechoslovakia, is one of great innovation and avant-garde design in automobile engineering. It is also the story of one man – Hans Ledwinka – and his visionary concepts which have become highly influential, although often undervalued contributions, in the development of car technology.
Until now, Hans Ledwinka's talent has hardly been recognizsed; in retrospect, he can be judged equal to car designers such as Benz, Daimler and Porsche, whose endeavours have been fully recorded many times over. With his revolutionary Tatra cars Ledwinka consistently pushed back the frontiers of automobile construction, and it’s certain that without his inspiration, the Volkswagen in its air-cooled rear-engined form would perhaps never have been conceived. This book suggests that Ledwinka played a greater part in this development than has previously been appreciated.
The authors have covered the full history of the Tatra company, which is one of the oldest factories in continuous automobile manufacture, dating back to the 19th century. By doing this, they have placed both Ledwinka and the Czechoslovak Tatra company back in their rightful places in the history of car design, and provided a fully comprehensive assessment of the influence of Tatra car designs and their inspired creator.
The text of this larger format 2nd edition has been fully revised and updated since the 1990 edition. This new edition also contains many additional illustrations.
When Hans Lenwinka passed away in Munich in 1965, his personal Tatra T87 was donated to the Munich Technical Museum, where it can be still be seen today. The Munich Technical Museum has an outstanding collection of vehicles and is well worth a visit.
Friday, 23 July 2021
Prague Technical Museum
National Technical Museum in Prague
View into the main hall. The collection in the main hall is spread across four terraces.
A view down on the 1930s car section
Another view looking down on the Tatra 77a
We start our tour on the top floor
Zlín Z-XIII Sport plane. A 1937 sports plane
A stunning example of mid 30s sports aircraft. Types like this were used to develop ideas for military aircraft. http://www.ntm.cz/en/en-heslar/zlin-z-xiii
Another view from above
The Motorcycle Gallery
1894 Hildebrand & Wolfmuller. The earliest production motorcycle in the world.
1902 Puch 2hp
1924 Bekamo
1924 Motor Company 1000, powered by a JAP engine
1923 Poustka 150
1926 Ner-A-Car
Bohmerland were a German motorcycle company that found itself in Czechoslovakia after the end of the First World War. They built eccentrically styled motorcycles with extended bench seats for two, three and four passengers.
Premier were an English motorcycle company that was built under license in Czechoslovakia.
1931 Jawa 500 OHV
Jawa
1937 CZ 175cc motorcycle
1937 Ogar motorcycle. These were produced for a short period in the mid 1930s.www.ogary.unas.cz
1934 BMW R60 military motorcycle
1942 Dalnik 250 single track auto prototype. This unsuccessful, unorthodox vehicle was powered by a Jawa motorcycle engine.
Jawa Perak
Jawa Pioneer moped
Czetta 'the Iron Pig' scooter
Ground Floor Car Collection
The 1898 Nesseldorfer President. This is the actual first automobile manufactured in Central Europe. It built by the Nesseldorfer wagon works at Koprivince, which would later become Tatra. It was based on the Benz Victoria but with a number of improvements. As soon as it was built it was driven from Koprivince to Vienna to attend the first Austro-Hungarian auto exhibition. After the exhibition the car remained in Vienna with the Royal Automobile Association. It was used originally as a driver training vehicle and then preserved as a historic vehicle. The car was donated to the Czech National Museum in the 1960s and is a registered national historical monument.
1906 Laurin and Klement Type A. Founded in 1895 as a bicycle maker in Mlada Boleslav . They soon moved into motorcycles and then motor cars. In 1925 the company was bought out by the Czech armaments manufacturer, Skoda, under whose name they continue to build cars today.
De Dion vis a vis
1908 Velorex 8/10 - no relation to the later post-war Velorex microcar company
1912 Renault Torpedo with a Bugatti roadster behind
1911 Laurin and Klement Type S
1912 Bedelia cyclecar. These enjoyed a good reputation in racing
1923 Laurin and Klement RM/K
1923 Benz
1935 Jawa 700 streamline endurance racer. Czech motorcycle manufacturer Jawa began building DKW cars under license in the early 1930s. They soon developed their own independent style.
This special bodied endurance racer was built for the 1000 miles of Czechoslovakia in 1935. Six cars were built but this is the only surviving example.
Tatra T80 limousine. Tatra are famous for their exotic, rear-engined cars but they also built large, conventional front-engined cars like this Tatra 80. This car was used as a presidential limousine and also included as a national historic monument. https://tatrat600.blogspot.com/2022/07/1931-tatra-t80.html
Z-4 sedan. Z was a Czech armament manufacturer that began making cars in the early 1930s. Like other budget Czech car manufacturers, they chose to use a two-stroke engine, ranging from single cylinder through to four cylinders. http://z-klub.cz/
1935 Tatra T77a. Tatra's revolutionary rear-engined streamliner is of course represented at the National Museum.
This car was purchased by a European collector after the collapse of the Communist government but it was seized when he attempted to take it out of the country. The car was confiscated, restored and presented to the National Museum. The sale of Tatra 77s and 77As in Czechia is now restricted and they cannot be exported. http://www.tatraworld.nl/t77-register/
1936 Z-5 Express. The Z-5 Express was Z's most successful car. It was powered by a four cylinder, 1400cc two-stroke engine. https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2019/10/1935-zbrojovka-z-6.html
Aero were another Czech marque of the interwar years. Like Jawa, they were building a copy of the German DKW, but their cars diverged quite substantially from the DKW template. They offered neat, sporty little cars powered by a 600cc two-stroke engine. This larger model featured a four cylinder, 2-litre two-stroke engine. https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2022/07/1936-aero-type-50.html
Pre-World War II section
Planes, trains and automobiles
The post-war section. This is Russian Zil limousine
The Tatra T87 used by Jiri Hanzelka and Miroslav Zikmund on their 1947 round-Africa and South America tour. This is also designated a national historic monument. https://tel-aviv.czechcentres.cz/en/program/jiri-hanzelka-a-miroslav-zikmund-cesti-cestovatele
Velorex Exhibition
The National Technical Museum had a special display of Velorex microcars. The display was running from May to November 2016.
The Frantisek brothers began building simple go-kart like microcars in the 1940s. They expanded the concept in the 1950s with the Velorex Oskar, which was produced until 1971. These light cars were powered by a twin cylinder Jawa motorcycle engine.
The Oskar was constructed around a steel tube frame. This frame was then covered in a vinyl skin, held in place with press studs. It was motoring at its most basic but it did fill an important niche in the market.
Later models featured a fibreglass body and had four wheels.
A late custom sports model was produced in the 1980s with a modern fibreglass body.
For more information here is a link to the museum website http://www.ntm.cz/en